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MS Sportsman
#1 Posted : Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:52:14 PM
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Someone had a nice tutorial on how to cure your gator hide for display on the old forum. I looked and didn't see it on here. If anyone has a link or the creator has it saved can they please post it again.
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#2 Posted : Sunday, August 01, 2010 8:28:12 PM
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Give me some time. I will get it posted in a few weeks.

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#3 Posted : Sunday, August 01, 2010 8:32:23 PM
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gatorman wrote:
Give me some time. I will get it posted in a few weeks.

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Thanks.
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#4 Posted : Monday, August 02, 2010 10:10:57 AM
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Ok. After many requests, I will now post my method of curing an alligator hide for one's personal use and display. This method has been used on four gators taken by Team Amos Moses and has worked great for the display of the gator hides. It is not a professional method, but has worked for me. I have constructed this method by reading everything that I could find about curing a gator hide. Please feel free to ask me questions about it, but realize I am simply an outdoorsman like the rest of you, and that I am not a professional taxidermist.

First, you MUST make preparations for curing your gator hide prior to begining the process. Several have stated on this forum how to preserve a hide after skinning a gator. The hide can be stored in this manner until you are ready to begin the tanning process.

I have never stored a hide by rolling in salt and freezing. I have always had everything ready to begin the tanning process before the hunt and begin immediately after killing the gator.

After checking in our gator, we immediately ice the gator down before going to bed. The next day, we skin the gator using the "horn-back" method. An incision is made down the center of the ventral side of the gator from the chin down through the end of the tail. The gator is then carefully skinned. We leave the feet on the gator, making a cut from the center of the foot straight to the center cut on the belly side. Care must be taken to remove all of the bones and meat from the feet. Cut the toes off of the toe bone at the last joint and toe nail will remain on the hide. Care must be taken to remove ALL of the tail bone. Remove as much meat from the hide, especially from the tail and the back under the thick hide and scutes.

After skinning is complete, remove the meat, bag and store.

At this point, I take a pressure washer and GENTLY wash the flesh side of the hide. You CAN tear the hide if not careful! This is a very simple way to completely flesh your hide to remove almost 100% of the remaining flesh.

We take a barrel with us to create a brine solution to place the hide in. We mix 25 gallons of water, 50 pounds of salt, 1 pound of Borax, and 1 pint of bleach. Mix thoroughly using a boat paddle. It is tough to get 50 pounds of salt dissolved into solution but it can be done. Salt the hide with a 1/2 inch of salt and roll tightly. Tie the hide with large rubber bands or pieces of inner tube like you use to tie a gator's mouth with. Place into brine solution. The salt will wick the brine solution up into the hide and help with the preservation process. I leave it in this solution for a week or more.

When you are ready to tan the hide, you must time the remainder of the process to fit your schedule.

Remove the hide from the brine soultion, unroll it, and wash it with a hose to remove all of the old salt. Pour out the brine solution and start over with the next solution. Make a solution using Lutan-F and salt. Lutan-F is a powder that can obtained from many taxidermy supply sites. Add 1.5 ounces of Lutan-F per gallon and 10 ounces of salt per gallon. I usually mix up 10 gallons for one hide, but had to mix 15 gallons for a bigger gator hide. Completely immerse the hide in this solution. Make sure the hide is completely covered by the solution. You may need to place a weight on the hide to keep it under the solution. THE HIDE MUST COME OUT BETWEEN 24 AND 48 HOURS!!! When you are ready to remove hide, add a small amount of sodium acetate to the solution, stir, and let sit for 90 minutes. Remove the hide and wash thoroughly with a hose. Allow it to drain for 30 minutes or so. Apply warm (I set it out in the sun) True-Tan Reptile Tanning Oil to the flesh side. Rub it thoroughly. Lay the hide on a sheet of plywood flesh side down. Bigger gators may take two or three sheets laid together to make it fit. Start at the tail and begin nailing the hide down to the plywood. Stretch it as you go. Use 1 inch finishing nails that can easily be removed after the hide is dry. Place a nail close to the edge of the hide through every other scale. Stretch the feet and legs out at the angle you want them on the display. I cut the excess hide off to make a perfectly flat mount. I stretch the extra pieces out and nail them down as well. I use these for jewelry and such. Once the hide is completely stretched out and nailed down, rub oil on the scale side of the hide. Place a fan blowing over the hide and let it sit for a month or two. It will take this long to completely dry the hide.



Once dry, pull the nails, and place the hide on a board you want to use for permanent display. Nail the hide to the board using either aluminum or brass nails. DO NOT USE anything with iron in it. It will rust. Stainless steel carpet tacks DO NOT WORK. The hide will rust the nails over time and you will have a mess. I know...I got one right now.

I hope this helps. Like I said, it has worked for me.





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TheStump
#5 Posted : Tuesday, August 03, 2010 8:20:00 PM
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Come on guys..............where is the APPLAUSE ThumpUp ThumpUp ThumpUpThumpUpThumpUp
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, August 03, 2010 8:37:13 PM
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TheStump wrote:
Come on guys..............where is the APPLAUSE ThumpUp ThumpUp ThumpUpThumpUpThumpUp

Great Job. It does sound like quite a process.Cool
Stump, I think you have to go to Australia or New Zealand to find the APPLAUSE.ConfusedConfused
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, August 03, 2010 8:46:52 PM
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SMART ELLIC!!!
Awesome job on the skins!!!
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, August 04, 2010 8:03:57 AM
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Thanks for the compliments. It is a very time consuming process. But, it is worth it once you have it mounted and in place.

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#9 Posted : Wednesday, August 04, 2010 9:31:44 AM
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I do taxidermy and we use Denatured Alcohol to preserve the entire gator skin (head and all). It's pricey but it's a lot simpler to do. Clean hide just like you said with pressure washer, take the eyes out of skull, and tounge, if you want the mouth open prop it open with cut off broom handle, submerge hide in drum of Denatured Alcohol. Come back in 3 to 4 weeks and strech it on your board, install glass eyes coat with clear gloss sealer and thats about it. It kinda mummifies the head and all.
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, August 04, 2010 12:18:23 PM
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Onastring wrote:
I do taxidermy and we use Denatured Alcohol to preserve the entire gator skin (head and all). It's pricey but it's a lot simpler to do. Clean hide just like you said with pressure washer, take the eyes out of skull, and tounge, if you want the mouth open prop it open with cut off broom handle, submerge hide in drum of Denatured Alcohol. Come back in 3 to 4 weeks and strech it on your board, install glass eyes coat with clear gloss sealer and thats about it. It kinda mummifies the head and all.



Post some pics if you have 'em. I'd like to see how it comes out.
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, August 04, 2010 8:44:33 PM
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About how much dose Denatured Alcohol cost and about how many gallons do u need?
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, August 04, 2010 9:14:04 PM
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lockmin wrote:
About how much dose Denatured Alcohol cost and about how many gallons do u need?

It's listed at $14.78 for one gallon at Lowe's. I tried to find it in 5 gallon containers. There are plenty of references to this size on the net but I could not find anyone who actually was selling it. If you have a commercial account at Lowe's, you probably would get it a little cheaper. Denatured Alcohol at Lowe's

Onastring may have a better source, but this should give you an idea on the price.
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#13 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 2:37:26 PM
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Onastring wrote:
I do taxidermy and we use Denatured Alcohol to preserve the entire gator skin (head and all). It's pricey but it's a lot simpler to do. Clean hide just like you said with pressure washer, take the eyes out of skull, and tounge, if you want the mouth open prop it open with cut off broom handle, submerge hide in drum of Denatured Alcohol. Come back in 3 to 4 weeks and strech it on your board, install glass eyes coat with clear gloss sealer and thats about it. It kinda mummifies the head and all.

Forgive what is possibly a dumb question. I'm not a taxidermist and have not worked with gator hides, but knowing alcohol drives water out, it seems like the hide would be all wrinkled up and hard to put on a board without rehydrating it. So, would it need to be rehydrated before boarding?
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, October 13, 2010 12:19:30 PM
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ttt
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, October 13, 2010 3:26:08 PM
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I have never done this but I would think you could use something similar to baby oil to rehydrate the hide
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, August 14, 2012 9:51:32 AM
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Has anyone ever done this method. i am going to try it. Gatorman hides looks awesome and love the natural color. However i want to skin my head out and attached to skin.
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, August 14, 2012 10:03:23 AM
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Joey I've done both.

With head


Without


Scull with hide


What zone did you draw?
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#18 Posted : Tuesday, August 14, 2012 10:34:28 AM
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gvirden wrote:
Joey I've done both.

With head


Without


Scull with hide


What zone did you draw?


Any directions on how you did them?
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#19 Posted : Tuesday, August 14, 2012 9:43:25 PM
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That's awesome Greg, the one on the barn is Exactly the look I want. Did you work the head also or have a taxidermist? Looks like an 11 footer? Any tips?

I drew southwest
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#20 Posted : Wednesday, August 15, 2012 9:30:35 AM
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Skin and remove all flesh as described above, take the eyes out of skull (measure first in centimeters for ordering), tongue, and all the meat possible. Submerge hide in covered drum of Denatured Alcohol. Come back in 3 to 4 weeks and stretch it on your board, install glass eyes. It mummifies the head and all.

Denatured alcohol costs $50-60 per 5 gallon can so it is not cheap. The 10'6" whole gator above took 20 gallons and the scull from the runt took 5 gallons.

The skin from the big gator (middle) was cured using the Gatorman recipe. This is by far the most economical method and most reliable. But you cannot leave the head on the skin.

Cory Hunt turned me on to this knife for skinning gators and it is well worth the money. Skinning a gator is a HUGE job!



http://www.amazon.com/Vi...-Skinning/dp/B005JHI7M2
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#21 Posted : Wednesday, August 22, 2012 2:06:08 PM
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Since posting this on my site. Ive had a lot of questions about the salt. unIodized salt right? You can get it at farm stores.
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#22 Posted : Thursday, September 20, 2012 6:00:19 PM
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About to pull a hide out of the brine solution, rinse, and place in the Luten-F solution. Where to purchase sodium acetate was looking to be a problem until I figured out that is the same chemical used to heat the instant hand and feet warmers. I'll purchase a couple and rob the chemicals within for my curing process.
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#23 Posted : Sunday, October 21, 2012 8:45:13 AM
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Love the tutorial posted here..great job!..I have a different problem..I want the gator hides I have harvested to be used for upolstery and hats, and maybe boots.so they have to be cured to a soft finish..I have followed the steps listed here..I have kept the hides in a salt brine..even dipped them in a borax/bleach solution and resalted. The lutan is my next step as well as para tan oil. So heres the problem..
the outside scales must be removed in order for the dye to penatrate the hide. Some of the scales are clear and some are dark.I have used a small piece of the back for practice and have realised they have to be removed by hand.. also a paper thin layer of outter skin(the colored part) has to be removed exposing the hide. does anyone know of a chemical that would seperate the outter scale from the hide?..also after the resalting process..what chemicals are used to completely dry out and tan for upolstery use? Remember the hide cannot be stiff..it has to maintain a supple soft feel.Confused Any input would be appreciated.
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