+1. It cannot be a good trip no matter how many fish are caught if we don't make back in safe.
Boat safety
Yesterday my neighbor and I took our two 8 year olds for an afternoon of fishing (an unsuccessful one but still a good day with the kids). Left from the Pass and headed to Cat. About 1 mile south east of the harbor, I spotted something odd looking in the water so we turned the boat in its direction. As we got closer, we could start to make out some of the shape and I started to feel a little concerned. Sure enough, as we approached, we could see a capsized vessel. After scanning the area for any people treading water we made a call to 911 to report. After seeing a sight like this, it sure hammered home the importance of being safe on the water. I think it even hit home with our kids as they were quite concerned over the people in the boat. Hopefully they were OK.
For those of you heading out there, stay vigil and don't be complacent. As we always said while we were down range, complacency kills.
Stay safe my fellow fishermen!
For those of you heading out there, stay vigil and don't be complacent. As we always said while we were down range, complacency kills.
Stay safe my fellow fishermen!
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I wonder what the story is? Has anyone heard anything more about this?
It reminds me of the vessel that had just it's bow and a barrel sticking out of the water out near Pass Marianne. We also came across a larger sailboat that was listing badly and full of water at anchor out near Cat. Both were last year. We called the USCG and they already knew of them both.
Thanks for the post....and thanks for checking it out. It could have been any one of us and I am glad people still show concern.
It reminds me of the vessel that had just it's bow and a barrel sticking out of the water out near Pass Marianne. We also came across a larger sailboat that was listing badly and full of water at anchor out near Cat. Both were last year. We called the USCG and they already knew of them both.
Thanks for the post....and thanks for checking it out. It could have been any one of us and I am glad people still show concern.
Hopefully they are okay. We were boarded by the coast guard Saturday for a safety check. Super nice guys, wanted to help more than anything and really appreciate them for what they do. Passed all the checks but as knowledge for everyone, your throwable float must be on the deck not stowed.
Thanks for sharing...I did not that it had to be on deck.[cool]Passed all the checks but as knowledge for everyone, your throwable float must be on the deck not stowed.
Hmmmmm. Neither did I. I do not remember seeing that in the CFR. Good to know, thanks!Thanks for sharing...I did not that it had to be on deck.[cool]
This is false.hoyt said:as knowledge for everyone, your throwable float must be on the deck not stowed.
I don't know why the coast guard would lie and it's a good idea in case someone does fall out when you're runningThis is false.
Regulation verbiage states it must be readily available for use. I suppose you could argue that some stowage locations are readily available but they stated on the deck and suggested to sit on it
larger vessels fall under different rules for throwable..I do know larger boats must have it out on deck..can't be in cabin or engine room etc.. and also with certain size commercial boats their must be certain amount of rope tied to it..can't remember the specifics. The rope tied to it is a good idea for everyone to do..if you make a bad throw to someone..wind etc.. you can pull it back quickly and rethrow.
"your throwable float must be on the deck not stowed", Not the first time I hear this. My friend was told this last year by DMR while at a check point on the river. They told him put it where it can be seen or sit on it.
It is a great idea. That's why the coasties suggest it. But I wouldn't rely on the guy checking you to be 100% accurate on the law.I don't know why the coast guard would lie and it's a good idea in case someone does fall out when you're running
It isn't required to be on deck and can be stowed.
In reference to the boat that sank, having the float on deck would also make it available if you went down quickly before being able to access your wearable. Even if you were unable to grab it it would pop up somewhere nearby.
Question and not trying to be argumentative but , If I shouldn't rely on the law (guy checking me) as you state, then what would make me want to believe you? You seem mighty positive about this [confused] Like I said not trying to stir anything up but rather trying to clear things up.It is a great idea. That's why the coasties suggest it. But I wouldn't rely on the guy checking you to be 100% accurate on the law.
It isn't required to be on deck and can be stowed.
I'm not asking you to believe me. Go read the law yourself. Nowhere will you find it say that it has to be on deck, cannot be stowed, or that you have to sit on it.Question and not trying to be argumentative but , If I shouldn't rely on the law (guy checking me) as you state, then what would make me want to believe you? You seem mighty positive about this [confused] Like I said not trying to stir anything up but rather trying to clear things up.
This is why DMR and coasties only give "friendly warnings" about this and other stuff, because it isn't the law, and they can't ticket you for it if they wanted.
Granted in this case, it is probably a good idea and the misinformation from the guy on scene is probably well intentioned. But it isn't always.
The local DMR guys are especially pretty bad about making up things and giving out warnings about things that aren't anywhere in the regulations. I don't know why they do it, but they do.
Every time I get stopped by one I get some form of ridiculous misinformation purported to be law. I used to just play along with it, but now I just tell them to write the ticket, and oddly enough they never do, they just give warnings.
The worst example is when I had one stop me in the bay before and tell me the live bait bucket I had over the side was for wading only and was against the law to use from a boat. Something about it has to be in the boat, or it was considered a live bait trap. (WTF?) I told him that didn't make sense but go ahead and write me the ticket. He decided instead to just give me a warning but don't let it happen again. As it turns out after researching when I got home he was full of baloney.
Another one they always seem to mess up is the inflatable life vests. I've had them tell me on two different occasions that they don't count as a PFD, whether they are being worn or not. That's absolutely incorrect, of course, as they count if being worn, plain as day written in the law.
I've had them tell me kids under 12 had to wear PFDs at all times, which is false. The law states plain as day only required while underway, not required on anchor.
Come to think of it, the last person I'd take advice from on PFD law is a DMR enforcement officer.
I was checked by the Coast Gaurd last year at the boat launch at Cowan Lorraine.I was alone and I was told the same thing about the throw ring.Here,s the funny part,the guy in charge told the one under him,that I didn't have to do that as I was the only one on the boat,and there was no one to throw it to me.
Not to Hi-jack this thread but I'll share an experiance that maybe someone will consider the next time they go out. Last year at the West end of Horn we were anchored up and been fishing for some time. There was a little noticable current but it hardly seemed dangerous at all. My 22 yr old daughter wanted to get in the water and float on a foam board that had a tetherline with a velcro wrist strap. She also had the stearn dockline looped on her other wrist to stay connected to the boat. Once she stepped off the ladder the current took the foam surf board and once the dockline got tight it too pulled of her wrist and she was headed west in 8' of water. Within seconds I dumped my anchor and my wife tossed her an emergency throwline in a bag close enough for her to swim and grab. We pulled her back to the boat and the whole thing only took about 30 seconds. Even though I had a float on my 100' anchorline the underwater current was so strong it never came up and I lost it. The deal is you can never be too safe and have too much safety gear close at hand, regulation or not. That rope in a bag is always handy on my boat...
Don't want to split hairs but just to protect anyone. This is from 33 CFR 175 which regulates the PFD requirements:
§ 175.19 Stowage.
(a) No person may use a recreational boat unless each Type I, II, or III PFD required by § 175.15 of this part, or equivalent type allowed by § 175.17 of this part, is readily accessible.
(b) No person may use a recreational boat unless each Type IV PFD required by § 175.15 of this part, or equivalent type allowed by § 175.17 of this part, is immediately available.
So one definition of immediately available or another could lead to a ticket if someone was in a bad mood or you made them mad. Think it would hold up too according to this.
§ 175.19 Stowage.
(a) No person may use a recreational boat unless each Type I, II, or III PFD required by § 175.15 of this part, or equivalent type allowed by § 175.17 of this part, is readily accessible.
(b) No person may use a recreational boat unless each Type IV PFD required by § 175.15 of this part, or equivalent type allowed by § 175.17 of this part, is immediately available.
So one definition of immediately available or another could lead to a ticket if someone was in a bad mood or you made them mad. Think it would hold up too according to this.
Did you ever find the part where it had to be on deck or you had to sit on it? [cool]
On deck was the direction, sitting was a suggestion but no. I respect the guys who came aboard and what they do so I'll respect their direction, personally never thought about it before they said it. And I'm sure that's why they say it, just to make you think. Of all my interactions with law enforcement of any kind they were by far the most personal and informative. And you gotta respect a guy who can swing a boat along side another in sloppy seas and never touch.Did you ever find the part where it had to be on deck or you had to sit on it? [cool]
I understand what you're saying and the law does get abused and twisted with interpretation a lot. I've had many a debate over many interpretations but that's why we live in America, so we can debate and learn and change things that are wrong.
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