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Its in the works boys and we need to form an offensive to get it stopped.... one of the few WMAs you can still freelance on in the state is about to become a draw. You say it wont bother you because you dont hunt there.... welll all the people that hunt there will be headed to a WMA near you thus decreasing your chances of getting to hunt.... it happened in MO and now they are headed in the worng direction fast.... non residents cant even hunt on 3 of the best areas up there this year and the residents have a .04% chance of getting drawn to hunt....

I dont know what we need to do or how to go about it but we need to do something. They took our voice away on the M dubya F pee sight but we can still voice our opinion... Kevin B is from MO MO so we are going to be headed down the same road

here is what is happening in MO MO land

MDC to test Quick Draw system at three wetland areas

The online system will let more people enjoy guaranteed

waterfowl hunting while maintaining the ?poor line.?

JEFFERSON CITY?Missouri hunters will take part in a pilot program this fall to make waterfowl hunting at state-owned wetland areas less of a gamble.

The Missouri Department of Conservation will test an online drawing system called Quick Draw. The system is intended to change the way daily drawings are conducted to assign waterfowl hunting opportunities at state wetland areas. The new system still will include a pre-draw portion (Quick Draw) and a daily drawing for remaining open slots.

The agency will test Quick Draw at Eagle Bluffs, Grand Pass and Otter Slough conservation areas to determine whether the online system enhances convenience and hunter participation. Depending on how well it works, the system might be modified and expanded to other state-managed wetland areas in future years.

During this year?s trial run, Missouri residents will enter online drawings for hunting slots twice a week instead of having to go to the three conservation areas for the daily draw. Hunters entering the drawing through Quick Draw can apply to hunt at one area per day. The system will not limit the number of days for which hunters can apply, or the number of days they can hunt if they are drawn.

A drawing on Monday of each week will assign hunting slots for the following Friday through Monday. A drawing each Thursday will assign slots for the following Tuesday through Thursday. The Quick Draw system will accept applications a few days prior to each drawing.

The online drawings will assign 80 percent of hunting slots each day. The remaining 20 percent of slots will be assigned in a drawing at each wetland area the morning of the hunt. This arrangement ? commonly called the ?poor line? drawing ? is part of the current drawing system.

Wildlife Division Chief DeeCee Darrow said the trial is part of a larger effort to re-examine how the Conservation Department does business and to use every technological means at its disposal to improve services.

?Our current daily drawing system for assigning waterfowl hunting opportunities has been around for a long time,? said Darrow. ?However, it does have some drawbacks. We had no way to address those shortcomings in the days before the Internet. We think Quick Draw will make hunting at our wetland areas more practical for more hunters.?

The current drawing system assigns hunting opportunities in two ways. Each September, Missouri residents apply for hunting reservations at wetland areas. Those reservations can be from late October into January. The reservation system assigns half the hunting slots available at each wetland area each day. The other half are assigned in drawings ? the so-called ?poor line? ? held early each morning at each wetland area. The three areas where Quick Draw is being tested will not be included in the reservation system this year.

Daily ?poor line? drawings allow Missouri residents who do not have reservations and nonresidents to drive to the wetland areas of their choice for a chance at drawing one of the unreserved hunting slots. This feature is retained under Quick Draw.

Having a reservation under the current system is not always good for reservation holders. Reservation dates are locked in weeks or months in advance, and and do not always coincide with those days when large numbers of ducks and geese are present. Under the present system, the only way to concentrate your hunting efforts on the best days of the year is to stand in the ?poor line.? The new system gives hunters more flexibility by letting them try for guaranteed hunting slots on the hottest hunting days of the year.

Driving to wetland areas to stand in the ?poor line? is a costly gamble for those who live far from their favorite hunting areas or who must take a day of vacation for a hunt. It also creates a quandary for parents who want to hunt with their children but hesitate to take them out of school without any assurance they will get to hunt.

Quick Draw?s twice-weekly drawings will increase the number of hunters who have guaranteed slots when they arrive at wetland areas. It also will enable hunters to focus their efforts on the best hunting days.

Under Quick Draw, the computer drawing will determine the order in which successful applicants get to select hunting spots. It also will determine where successful hunters in the ?poor line? fit in the selection of hunting spots. On any given day, the No. 1 spot can be in either the Quick Draw or ?poor-line? portion of the draw.

Darrow said the new system will reduce the number of hunters turned away from wetland areas onsite each morning. Furthermore, she expects it to speed up the process of getting hunters to their hunting spots.

?We think hunters will find a lot to like about this system,? said Darrow. ?We know from past surveys that lack of time is one factor that prevents people from enjoying outdoor activities. This will help Missourians make better use of their time.?

Darrow noted that high fuel prices make fruitless trips to distant hunting areas expensive. Quick Draw will save waterfowl hunters money.

?No system can please everyone,? said Darrow, ?but we hope this new arrangement will make it easier and more affordable for people to take advantage of waterfowl hunting at state wetlands. If it lets more people enjoy hunting, it will be a success.?

Darrow said the Conservation Department is interested in finding out what hunters think of Quick Draw, both before and after this year?s trial. She said the new system is still in development, with time for fine-tuning to make the test run as convenient as possible for hunters and as useful as possible in post-test evaluation.

Hunters interested in providing suggestions about Quick Draw can contact the nearest Conservation Department office or send written comments to Wildlife Division, Missouri Department of Conservation, P.O. Box 180, Jefferson City, MO 65102-0180.
 

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I don't have a pony in this race. Heck until last night, speaking with Ed Penny, I didn't even know where Malmaison was. But there was talk at the MDWFP headquarters of taking Malmaison to "unitized" hunting. I did not hear any reference to a draw, but I could be mistaken. Larry Castle, was speaking freely (so as not to quote him) but in essence spoke of "unitizing" Malmaison, I took the term to mean, designated areas, and was under the impression that ramp departure would be the same time as this year. Again, nothing spoke by Mr. Castle was set in stone, since he bases his decisions on the wildlife commission and the Legislature's opinions and directives, but I am passing on my interpretation of what was said.
That being said, a gentleman who stated he hunted Malmaison frequently there showed a video of what he called "the launch time" and it was outrageous at the number of boats and motors being started and idled (sp?).
Like I said, I don't have a pony in this race, I am just relaying the way I interpreted the messages relayed at the MDWFP meeting last night.
 

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Coot you heard the same thing I did..... opening weekend is crazy wherever you go but after that everything works itself out. How could they possibly unitize the thing without making it a DRAW??? they cant...
 

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It's been known to get rough at malmaison. I've had buddies get there tires sliced and all kinds of stuff there. Once heard about a windshield getting busted out.
 

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That's the best thing that could happen to that place!! I am all for it!!
I hope you are joking....... why do you think it got so bad last year?????? maybe because an area 30 minutes away went to a draw.... It's a snowball affect people... Its gonna crowd already overcrowded areas, drive up lease prices etcc.... How good anybody be for this?????
 

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Not joking at all, it's nothing but a bunch of prick's that think they own the joint!! This way everybody has a fair chance and it will make the duck hunting better just like it did at MB this year.
 

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Not joking at all, it's nothing but a bunch of prick's that think they own the joint!! This way everybody has a fair chance and it will make the duck hunting better just like it did at MB this year.
+100000 on the bunch of prick's that think they own the place. They don't make any sense. I've had the same thing happen with turkey hunters there as well as duck hunters. Turkey hunter's excuse was that that he roosted a gobbler in this particular area the afternoon before, even though I was there at five thirty am and he didn't get there until around six fifteen. I didn't roost a bird there, but I was there first. First come first serve. He got upset and said it was disrespectful and all this other crap, but ended up leaving. There wasn't any skin off my back. One friday me and a buddy got out in the scatters early to slay some ducks. We went to one of the productive holes we knew about. About 20 mins before legal shooting hours, a boat with three guys comes flying up in the little hole we were in. They saw our decoys and cut the motor off and perceeded to tell us that we needed to move to another area because they've been hunting it all week and they had it scouted out. It almost got nasty that day. We almost had to crack some skulls, but after passing several words back and forth they drove off just before shooting ours began. Prime examples why I try to refrain from hunting public land.
 

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the real freak said:
Not joking at all, it's nothing but a bunch of prick's that think they own the joint!! This way everybody has a fair chance and it will make the duck hunting better just like it did at MB this year.
How did it make it better at MB this year???? Numbers wise it was the worse year ever.... the people that got drawn didnt show up and when the ducks where there you couldnt hunt it..... people still sit up on top of you cause they follow you in casue its their first time there, i know cause I motored over to em and ask em.... private land access got the best holes everytime.... hardly a fair chance FREAK.....

why do you think the scatters got so bad this year???? the spillover from MB thats why.... its a snowball affect and those that dont get drawn will continue to spillover to other public areas making them crowded then sending them to draw and so on and so on.... this is not a good thing for the freelance duck hunter in MS.... look at what has happened in MO. Residents have something like a .04% chance of getting drawn to hunt with the new online system....

Ya'll speak of these people harassing you and pricks and what not..... get their names or at least their tag numbers and turn them into the authorities.... if they are doing what you say it is hunter harrassment and they will be fined and or kicked off the area... we have done it so I know they HAVE to do something.... take a video camera or use your cell phone to document it....

The chances of you getting drawn to hunt when the ducks are actually here are slim to none.... ducks are migratory birds and restricting hunters on an area will not make the hunting BETTER.
 

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I had one of my best years of hunting MB in the last 18 or 20 years of hunting it so it didn't bother me one bit and I thought it was a lot nicer and was less crowded for sure. As far as the MB over flow to the scatters last year being a problem, it's been prick's there and problems there way before MB went to a draw on the weekends. I have been hunting there as well for the last 20 years and it's been that way for a long time so don't try and blame it on the over flow of public land going to draw hunts. Here's an idea if you don't like it go buy or lease you some land and you won't have to worry about it, you can hunt it how you want when you want. I don't need a video camera to turn somebody in, I'm a grown man and I can handle it. I have never set up right on top of anyone and never will and if you try to come set up on top of me because you think that I have your spot on public land I will just invite you to come sit with me and hunt over my decoy's. It's no need in acting childish and throwing a fit and ruining everybody's hunt.
 

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the real freak said:
I had one of my best years of hunting MB in the last 18 or 20 years of hunting it so it didn't bother me one bit and I thought it was a lot nicer and was less crowded for sure. As far as the MB over flow to the scatters last year being a problem, it's been prick's there and problems there way before MB went to a draw on the weekends. I have been hunting there as well for the last 20 years and it's been that way for a long time so don't try and blame it on the over flow of public land going to draw hunts. Here's an idea if you don't like it go buy or lease you some land and you won't have to worry about it, you can hunt it how you want when you want. I don't need a video camera to turn somebody in, I'm a grown man and I can handle it. I have never set up right on top of anyone and never will and if you try to come set up on top of me because you think that I have your spot on public land I will just invite you to come sit with me and hunt over my decoy's. It's no need in acting childish and throwing a fit and ruining everybody's hunt.
I cant afford a lease where I can kill ducks like I do on public ground.... you have to be where the ducks are and being able to hunt public land is the only way you can day in and day out stay on the birds (unless you buy into one of the big $$$ clubs) The ducks hit MB at certain times and if you where there then you did good but if you couldnt make it during the week and didnt get drawn you had one of the worst years ever. It was a lot less crowded during the week this year cause the numbers werent there like years past.... I get to hunt 60 days a year so I'm not complaining about not getting to hunt. But there are a ton of people that get to only hunt on the weekends and them not having a place to go when they want to go hunting because they didnt get drawn is horrible feeling....

If you say the problem has been this way for the last several years then why all of a sudden go to a draw.... there are other ways to cut down on the riff raff.... hp limit, shell limit, no wake, etc.... dont take away opportunity because a few people complain about it... same as the deer bill everyone is so against.... open up gun on a few places OCT 1 everybody will want same opp.

the public land duck hunter is soon to be out of a place to be able to just wake up and go hunting. he is going to have sit by the mailbox or check his email waiting on the GOV to tell him when he can go..... its happening you guys need to wake up and do something before it happens...

Freak i agree with what you do when someone sits up too close, we do the same and alot of confrontaitons can be settled that way.... most of the time they will move on if you are civil about it.

I dont want us to end up like MO.... go read what all the public land hunters think about what is going on up there
 

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Ya'll speak of these people harassing you and pricks and what not..... get their names or at least their tag numbers and turn them into the authorities.... if they are doing what you say it is hunter harrassment and they will be fined and or kicked off the area... we have done it so I know they HAVE to do something.... take a video camera or use your cell phone to document it....


you got to be kidding "fined or kicked off the place for a day" just to be back the next day.I don't think so
the authorities have better things to do
I,m like the freak,you come motoring up to us ,we will invite you to hunt with us,you come up showing your butt,I'll show mine too.
 
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