Mississippi Hunting and Fishing Forums banner

1 - 15 of 15 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
183 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
Gonna get my boy a scope to go on his Ruger American 7-08 for Christmas. He currently has a very cheap BSA that just gets crazy blurry with any kind of sunset in your face or moisture, so I am going to upgrade him. What would be a good one for it? I am currently looking at the Vortex Diamondback 3-10x50 around $200....Meopta Meopro around $500(I really don't know if he needs that much scope at such a young age)
I just want clarity and decent lowlight sun gathering ability.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,579 Posts
Gonna get my boy a scope to go on his Ruger American 7-08 for Christmas. He currently has a very cheap BSA that just gets crazy blurry with any kind of sunset in your face or moisture, so I am going to upgrade him. What would be a good one for it? I am currently looking at the Vortex Diamondback 3-10x50 around $200....Meopta Meopro around $500(I really don't know if he needs that much scope at such a young age)
I just want clarity and decent lowlight sun gathering ability.
Have the vortex Diamondback on that exact gun for my oldest. Seems to do just fine.

I also have the diamondback on my 35 whelen
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
810 Posts
I have a Hawke 2.5x10x50 that is really bright and clear. Natchez shooting supplies has a Sig Sauer whiskey 3 for a little over a hundred in 3x9x50. I have a whiskey 3 and its super clear and bright. Hawke also has a very good warranty.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,297 Posts
Leupold fan here. Never used their warranty in 30+ years although I did lose a turret cap once on a LPS and they sent me one free. I have them on most of my rifles and prefer the image (glass) in them to the few other brands that I have accumulated over the years. It’s getting that time of year for sales so whatever you buy do your homework. MidwayUSA usually has blemished or demo’s.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,298 Posts
Nikon fan here. Prostaff models have the same lifetime warranty the higher end models have. I've been pleased. I wouldn't think twice about a Leupold for a good price though.

I had a bad experience with a Vortex. I'm sure they're fine, but I've got no confidence in them.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
5,427 Posts
Nikon fan here. Prostaff models have the same lifetime warranty the higher end models have...
Nikon quit the scope business a year or so ago. They've got some warranty parts on hand, but they won't last forever. I think you get credit for other Nikon products once that happens.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
770 Posts
You will get as many different opinions on this as people you ask. There is no "right" answer. But I'll offer this: When I was accumulating hunting rifles at an alarming rate for myself, my 3 kids, and my in-laws, I set out to determine the best all-around value in scopes, and I wanted to stay under $200. At the time the "winner" was the Nikon Buckmaster (the original) 3-9x40. However, when Nikon discontinued the Buckmaster and introduced their massively confusing Buckmaster II vs Prostaff vs Monarch crap, I narrowed my search down to the Vortex Diamondback and the Burris E1. In the end the E1 won out, and I now consider the Burris E1 3-9x40mm the best value among many, many excellent options in that market space. I literally cannot fathom anyone being anything but thrilled with the sleek design, clarity, solid feel, durability, and warranty.

BTW, just as good as the Burris and Vortex is the Leupold VX2. I just don't think the additional cost is justified. But it's a fine scope from perhaps the best American scope maker of all.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,298 Posts
Nikon quit the scope business a year or so ago. They've got some warranty parts on hand, but they won't last forever. I think you get credit for other Nikon products once that happens.
What?! RT8, if your goal was to ruin someone's day, mission accomplished. I loved those Nikons. C'est la vie...... [sad]
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
5,427 Posts
What?! RT8, if your goal was to ruin someone's day, mission accomplished. I loved those Nikons. C'est la vie...... [sad]
Sorry man, but it's true. IDK if it was profits or fear of future political blowback from supporting "hunting", or what...but they announced it at the end of last year.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
770 Posts
Sorry man, but it's true. IDK if it was profits or fear of future political blowback from supporting "hunting", or what...but they announced it at the end of last year.
I truly believe their main problem was self-inflicted. For years they did a great job distinguishing each line of Nikon scopes from the others. You knew when you bought a Prostaff you were getting an excellent "entry level" scope (there were no 3s and 5s then). When you paid the little extra for the Buckmaster you were getting a scope that was built a little better, with slightly better lens coatings. For those who wanted Nikon's top offerings, there was the Monarch line of optics. It was simple and understandable.

But then they wanted all their scopes to look the same and have the same profile, almost certainly for the cost efficiency and consistency across product lines, so they dropped the Buckmaster and introduced the Buckmaster II...which looked EXACTLY like a Prostaff. At the same time the dropped the price of the Buckmaster II to within the same range as the Prostaff. Now customers were asking, "How does the Buckmaster II compare to the Buckmaster?" and, "Is the Buckmaster II any better than the Prostaff?"

Then, they dropped the Buckmaster II and for reasons I'll never understand, confused everyone by introducing the different lines within the lines. They offered the Prostaff 3, Prostaff 5, and Prostaff 7. They did the same with the Monarch - 3, 5, and 7. Suddenly, the customer was left wondering, "Is the Prostaff 5 as good as the Monarch 3?" The prices got all inter-mingled, and it became impossible to know what you were buying compared to the other offerings.

On top of that they had the "223" line of scopes, clearly aimed at the AR market. But could you use a "223" scope on a 308? What about a 300wsm?

Nikon had a GREAT thing going. But they screwed it all up with the absolute worst product designation/identity and marketing I've ever seen in my life.

This is all just my interpretation of things. Make of it what you will.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
659 Posts
jakesnale66 hit the nail on the head. Nikon’s problem were self inflicted. I have a lot Nikon scopes and am now wondering which direction I’m going to go for buying my next scope, I’m leaning towards vortex or leupoold.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
770 Posts
Vortex: Philippines and China
Leupold: USA

That's am ready choice for me.
I'm a Leupold fan. I believe they represent an excellent overall value, when one considers quality, cost, reputation, and warranty. However, this whole "made in USA" thing is getting more and more murky. While Leupold states their products are "designed, machined, and assembled" in the USA, they do NOT go so far as to say all their components are made in USA. And where the lenses are concerned, this is almost certainly because the vast majority of lenses are produced in Europe and Asia.

It's a topic the manufacturers are careful to dance around with clever wording. I would much prefer them simply state specifically where the various components are made. There is nothing inherently superior about products made within the borders of one nation vs others. It's much more about quality controls within any given company.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
9 Posts
Get the vortex. Best warrantee in the business, cant go wrong. The other two if you goof it and mess them up yourself well you are S.O.L. Vortex will replace no sting .
 
1 - 15 of 15 Posts
Top