Priceless...enough said...
Timber value question
I know this is like asking how much a car is without knowing year, make or model...but best guess scenario for our timber guys would be welcomed.
Price per acre for virgin, delta hardwood. One mile from major highway, gravel road access from there, 40 miles to a mill. Go!
Price per acre for virgin, delta hardwood. One mile from major highway, gravel road access from there, 40 miles to a mill. Go!
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Ms Farm Market Bulletin list hardwood sawtimber for the Delta at less than $20 per ton.
What he said. I'm not a timber guy but from shopping land previously it seems the timber is worth more standing by increasing your land value versus cutting it. Big hardwoods are getting sparse.Priceless...enough said...
Two different issues being discussed here. One being the value of the timber, as a commodity. The other being the intrinsic value of the land with vs without the timber.
The timber value can't be honestly answered from what you've provided. "Virgin " timber, doubtful. most likely second or third growth. That doesn't mean it's not big and old, but it's not from the days of Columbus.
Big and old in the delta can oftentimes mean over-mature with butt rot and mineral stain thus degrading the logs and lowering the value as compared to a younger stand. It can also mean Culls left from the last harvest. Or it may mean really nice big timber. Only a cruise will tell.
Delta??? Is this Red oak-Gum timber, Hackberry-elm timber, or Cypress-Ash timber? or a mix of all? Species composition can alter value drastically.
How wet is the site, what is access like, road front, easement issues, etc...
In regard to the land, what is the owners plan for the future? Hunting land, investment property, quick flip?
Will cutting the timber return more value to the owner than leaving it would add to the property?
Not enough info to give you an honest answer.
The timber value can't be honestly answered from what you've provided. "Virgin " timber, doubtful. most likely second or third growth. That doesn't mean it's not big and old, but it's not from the days of Columbus.
Big and old in the delta can oftentimes mean over-mature with butt rot and mineral stain thus degrading the logs and lowering the value as compared to a younger stand. It can also mean Culls left from the last harvest. Or it may mean really nice big timber. Only a cruise will tell.
Delta??? Is this Red oak-Gum timber, Hackberry-elm timber, or Cypress-Ash timber? or a mix of all? Species composition can alter value drastically.
How wet is the site, what is access like, road front, easement issues, etc...
In regard to the land, what is the owners plan for the future? Hunting land, investment property, quick flip?
Will cutting the timber return more value to the owner than leaving it would add to the property?
Not enough info to give you an honest answer.
How much an acre are they asking for this big timber and the dirt?
In South MS, some mills are paying $75-$80 a ton delivered for ash, red and white oak. The drag mat business has driven up the hardwood market down here. I even heard that prices reached $100 a ton a few months back.
In South MS, some mills are paying $75-$80 a ton delivered for ash, red and white oak. The drag mat business has driven up the hardwood market down here. I even heard that prices reached $100 a ton a few months back.
Thanks guys. All good answers. Appreciate the input. YL, pm sent.
Be very careful on delta hardwood. Most of the time delta hardwood has rot. A cruise is good to have but you can't tell if a tree has rot until you cut the trees so you have to take a cruise with a grain of salt. We are cutting a tract for a client near Belzoni and a lot of trees look solid but aren't.
Deltaman the ms market bulletin may list hardwood timber less than $20/ton but they are wrong. It's much higher than that!
true, a lot of delta timber is hollow in the center and not worth as much as good hardwood hills timber. So i was told by a logger buddy. If you have virgin delta hardwoods just keep and enjoy
Hardwood is worth a lot right now,, that's the bottom line..
One thing for sure don't clear cut it.. Leave you some seed trees spread out over the property... Kinda like a park with trees spaced out evenly.. Other wise known as a shelter wood cut.. Get the really big oaks out over 20 and up.. I'm talking 12 to 16 DBH... Epicormic branching will pretty much ruin these trees but they will re-seed and produce mast.. Don't let one gum or ash be left even if it causes a hole.. This type of cutting is awesome for most every thing wildlife.. I've seen turkeys even use it..
Also look at the native Oaks and make a decision on the 2 species that have done the best according to logs and health.. Cherry bark and nutall should be left 1st.. After 5-10yrs you can cut the seed trees out.. Have fun with it... Cut yourself into the timber business not out.. JMO..
One thing for sure don't clear cut it.. Leave you some seed trees spread out over the property... Kinda like a park with trees spaced out evenly.. Other wise known as a shelter wood cut.. Get the really big oaks out over 20 and up.. I'm talking 12 to 16 DBH... Epicormic branching will pretty much ruin these trees but they will re-seed and produce mast.. Don't let one gum or ash be left even if it causes a hole.. This type of cutting is awesome for most every thing wildlife.. I've seen turkeys even use it..
Also look at the native Oaks and make a decision on the 2 species that have done the best according to logs and health.. Cherry bark and nutall should be left 1st.. After 5-10yrs you can cut the seed trees out.. Have fun with it... Cut yourself into the timber business not out.. JMO..
Great info. I was wanting to do something like this if it it works out. That last line of yours is signature worthy.Hardwood is worth a lot right now,, that's the bottom line..
One thing for sure don't clear cut it.. Leave you some seed trees spread out over the property... Kinda like a park with trees spaced out evenly.. Other wise known as a shelter wood cut.. Get the really big oaks out over 20 and up.. I'm talking 12 to 16 DBH... Epicormic branching will pretty much ruin these trees but they will re-seed and produce mast.. Don't let one gum or ash be left even if it causes a hole.. This type of cutting is awesome for most every thing wildlife.. I've seen turkeys even use it..
Also look at the native Oaks and make a decision on the 2 species that have done the best according to logs and health.. Cherry bark and nutall should be left 1st.. After 5-10yrs you can cut the seed trees out.. Have fun with it... Cut yourself into the timber business not out.. JMO..
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